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Offline navi

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has left until
« on: September 09, 2013, 08:37:34 am »
Are these sentences correct:

1-He has gone until the heat is off.

2-He has left until the problems are solved.


Meaning: He has left and won't be back until...

Gratefully,
Navi.

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Re: has left until
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2013, 09:52:13 am »
Yes, both OK.

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Re: has left until
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2013, 05:44:06 pm »
Are these sentences correct:1-He has gone until the heat is off.

2-He has left until the problems are solved.

Meaning: He has left and won't be back until...
Gratefully,
Navi.

Ambiguous at best. This is perhaps due to ellipsis. At first glance, nothing in the statement implies that the person is coming back.
Another point of  contention is the use of preposition “until”.
Generally, this preposition (until or till), albeit to avoid this dilemma, is to start at one point and end in another.

He has gone (or will be gone) until two o'clock. This implies that the person will be back after two o'clock.

To make the first example work and avoid ambiguity is to use an intensifier to the prepositional phrase.

He has gone right until (or ever since ) the heat is off.   


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Re: has left until
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 11:07:17 pm »

Ambiguous at best. To make the first example work and avoid ambiguity is to use an intensifier to the prepositional phrase.

He has gone right until (or ever since ) the heat is off.   


I beg to differ there, UY. I think this last sentence would cause confusion to an ESL speaker. I see no ambiguity in the originals.  :)

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Re: has left until
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2013, 01:06:22 am »

Ambiguous at best. To make the first example work and avoid ambiguity is to use an intensifier to the prepositional phrase.

He has gone right until (or ever since ) the heat is off.   


I beg to differ there, UY. I think this last sentence would cause confusion to an ESL speaker. I see no ambiguity in the originals.  :)

If it isn't asking too much, could you point out why it would be confusing? :)

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Re: has left until
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2013, 07:48:31 am »
Well for me the addition of right does make the sentence confusing.
The word is of no use, the original version has no ambiguity I can perceive.
 
UY: Please explain what second meaning the sentence can have apart from the obvious.
 
p.s. As a native speaker you may not be aware of this, but the first meaning of right that pops up in the mind of most ESLs is either the opposite of left or the opposite of wrong.
If it's not used by a native speaker it's not idiomatic. And idiom trumps grammar every time. Jack Wilkerson†

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Re: has left until
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2013, 10:16:12 am »
Yes - right until can also emphasise it was for the entire period. Right until then end.
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Re: has left until
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 10:03:41 am »
Are these sentences correct:

1-He has gone until the heat is off.

2-He has left until the weight loss with keto slim diet problems are solved.


Meaning: He has left and won't be back until...

Gratefully,
Navi.

Yes, both OK.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2019, 06:47:11 am by Pehoenix »

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Re: has left until
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2019, 01:03:01 pm »
Are these sentences correct:

1-He has gone until the heat is off.

2-He has left until the v tight gel problems are solved.


Meaning: He has left and won't be back until...

Gratefully,
Navi.

Yes, both OK. 8)
« Last Edit: September 26, 2019, 09:03:37 am by Prannon »